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Introduction

Dear Mr. S,
Hoping you are well.

Please accept the following responses, complete with references, which answer the material you have submitted from those who currently and sadly do not believe, yet (May Hashem bless them).

Kind regards,

http://www.OrthodoxMessianicJudaism.com
http://www.FewWhoFindit.com


Begin

In response to the content displayed at:

https://www.jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/messiah-the-criteria

□ You submitted:

“The Messiah” to be a human being – without any overtone of deity or divinity

■ Response:

Correct.
‘G-d is not a man…’ (ref. Numbers 23:19).

□ You submitted:

…who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as “The Messiah”.

■ Response:

The primary task the Messiah had was to bring Israel back to G-d by faithful repentance, and establish peace [between the Holy G-d and man].

This is done on an individual, case-by-case basis – and the peace that Messiah was to bring, was not world peace, but peace between G-d and each man individually.

How do we know?

Quickly,
• Messiah walked this earth faithfully observant,
• he was ‘given’ [in death and raised to life] to be high priest of the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31) – which ultimately means everlasting life above without end to all who believe;

‘…I will give you as a covenant for the people, a light for the nations,’
(Isaiah 42:6 ESV, also see 49:8)

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: Therefore god (created Messiah), thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Psalm 45:7 KJV (amended)

• because he loved righteousness and hated wickedness, Holy Scripture states he was declared High Priest in the order of Melchizadek;

The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.”
Psalm 110:4 ESV

As high priest, Messiah makes intercession (prayer) for those who believe, and this is how we know forgiveness of sins and everlasting life is obtained by believing in him;

‘…he… makes intercession for the transgressors.’
(Isaiah 53:12 ESV)

‘…Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.’
(Romans 8:34 ESV)

And this is how we interpret the riddle of Isaiah 49:3 and 49:5; One Man (Messiah), Brings Back Israel To G-d – Isaiah 49;

Isaiah 49:3 and 49:5 feature ‘Israel’s twice.
In verse 3 ‘Israel’ refers to an individual man (Messiah), who brings back ‘Israel’ the nation (those that believe and repent) back to Hashem;

³ He said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendor.”
⁵ And now the LORD says— he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord and my God has been my strength—
Isaiah 49:3‭, ‬49:5 NIV

One will note that it says it is an ‘easy’ thing for for Israel (man; v.3) to bring back Israel (nation v.5) to G-d;

‘he says: “It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept….’
(Isaiah 49:6 NIV)

Sadly and without malice, all we need to do is look around today; the entire population of the people cannot even observe the Sabbath together.

Question: Why then does Isaiah say it is an easy thing for G-d’s servant to bring back Israel to Him? (49:6);

Answer: Because those of Israel whom are brought back to Hashem for everlasting life without end, upon resurrection – are those who simply, believe [in Messiah (Christ)]. Easy.

It’s speaking of an individual salvation of each person, on a case-by-case basis.

The Messiah (Christ) was pretty saddened that all of Israel did not believe he was the Messiah there and then – that is why it says;

But I said, “I have labored in vain; I have spent my strength for nothing at all. Yet what is due me is in the LORD’s hand, and my reward is with my God.”
Isaiah 49:4 NIV

What then is the Messiah’s reward that it speaks of? Becoming High Priest in the order of Melchizadek.

As per the Psalm, the Messiah (Christ) loved righteousness and hated wickedness during his walk here – he was subsequently declared High Priest in the order of Melchizadek;

How do we really know Isaiah 49:3 uses Israel to speak of just one man?

Verse 8 confirms that this one man, was (figuratively) ‘given’ [over to death] in order to show his faithful obedience;

‘This is what the LORD says:… I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people, to restore the land and to reassign its desolate inheritances,’
(Isaiah 49:8 NIV)

As we just read in the Psalms, he was confirmed and then declared as priest in the order of Melchizadek.

When it then says ‘given for a covenant’, it speaks of the Messiah acting as priest for the ‘new covenant’ (ref. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 36:26-27, Isaiah 28:16, Eph 2:20, John 3:16);

‘…I will make a new covenant…’
(Jeremiah 31:31 NIV)

The new covenant means forgiveness of sins (peace), and everlasting life by ‘believing’ (ref. Isaiah 28:16).

This new covenant is how Israel are brought back, even with tamid l’olam va-ed nefesh (life [above] continually without end).

□ You submitted:

• First of all, he must be Jewish…
• He must be a member of the tribe of Judah…
• He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon,…

■ Response:

Messiah (Christ) is.

For more detail, please see the explanation on His family geneology and Scripture explained:

Proving The Messiah (Jesus) Is King David’s Descendant – From The Torah (Definitive)

www.orthodoxmessianicjudaism.com/2021/06/09/the-messiah-is-meant-to-be-king-davids-direct-descendant-proving-jesus/

As per the explanation of the genealogy found in Matthew chapter 1 (at the above link)  – Messiah (Christ) is of King David and King Solomon;

‘The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham: Jesse fathered David the king. David fathered Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah. Solomon fathered Rehoboam,
Jacob fathered Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah.
(Matthew 1:1‭, ‬1:6‭-‬7‭, ‬1:16 NASB2020)

The explanation will faithfully explain how this geneology is attributed to Messiah (Christ) – as the Prophets and Writings are consistently poetic and metaphorical.

On this note, where in 2 Samuel 7:12 (your submitted verse) does it say ‘direct’ descendant, and also where does it say that the prophet is not speaking spiritually, and poetically in this instance?

The explanation link again is;

www.orthodoxmessianicjudaism.com/2021/06/09/the-messiah-is-meant-to-be-king-davids-direct-descendant-proving-jesus/

□ You submitted:

He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel 

■ Response:

Peaceably, Messiah has and does, and this has been explained above with regard to the riddle of Isaiah 49:3, and 49:5.

Thus, with your submission of Isaiah 11:12 and the matter of ‘gathering’ – kindly think verticle [corners of earth to heaven], and not horizontal [ends of earth to Israel here on earth];

“And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)

Explanation:
The people are called from the four corners of the earth, and reunited to G-d in Heaven by believing with their repentance.

They believe in G-d, they also believe in the risen Messiah (Christ) – the high priest in the order of Melchizadek, and this also results in everlasting life without end;

‘Who among you fears the LORD and obeys the voice of his servant?…’
(Isaiah 50:10 ESV)

“Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me.
John 14:1 ESV

‘a precious cornerstone, of a sure foundation: ‘Whoever believes will not be in haste.’
Then your covenant with death will be annulled…’
(Isaiah 28:16‭, ‬28:18 ESV)

‘…Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,’
(Ephesians 2:20 ESV)

A believer’s end destination is in the New heaven and/or new earth forever without end, and these are above now (Isaiah 65:17, 66:22). Those their may look down upon us here, in disgust;

“And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
Isaiah 66:24 ESV.

□ You submitted:

He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem 

■ Response:

This is a man’s interpretation of the prophet Ezekiel – civilly and without conceit, it is incorrect.

The full scope of Holy Scripture tells us something different;

There are no certified sons of Aaron here in this earth for priestly duties, thus there can be no certified temple service here – a waiver of such certified geneology criteria requirement would break something that is very explicit in the Torah.

Solution?

The Temple described in Ezekiel is spiritual and metaphorical.

The numbers given with regard to it might even be a code and represent spiritual things.

Briefly, it is actually speaking of all Israel who believe in Messiah (Isaiah 42:6, 49:8) and are thus blessed in the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31).

These believers form a ‘spiritual temple’;

in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:21‭-‬22 ESV

‘you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house…’
(1 Peter 2:5 ESV)

No [genuine/authorised] Temple in this lifetime, here.

Quickly, did you know that it looks like there is no Temple in the New earth (above) – new Jerusalem;

‘…the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.’
(Revelation 21:10‭, ‬21:22 ESV)

[When it says the ‘Lamb’, there’s no idolatry being referenced. The ‘Lamb’ refers to the Messiah (Christ), who is referred to as the ‘Lamp’ of G-d – Hashem’s representative.]

He (Messiah) is there now in the new earth (above);

‘…its lamp is the Lamb.’
(Revelation 21:23 ESV)

The Temple is actually in the New Heaven (above the new earth), and Messiah (Christ) has access there aswell;

‘Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has authority over the fire…’
(Revelation 14:17‭-‬18 ESV)

‘…the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation.’
(Hebrews 9:11 NIV)

‘…he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.’
(Hebrews 9:24 NIV)

This Messianic criteria is thus fulfilled.

□ You submitted:

He will rule at a time of world-wide peace 

■ Response:

Kindly see the response(s) above i.e. Isaiah 49:3, 49:5, 49:4 – genuine world peace is ‘upstairs’, not here.

□ You submitted:

“…they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Micah 4:3)

■ Response:

This is referring to life in the new heavens and new earth, though moreso within Israel (above, in the new earth) and especially on His Holy mountain – as it says with regard to inside [Israel above] and outside [oustide the borders of Israel above];

¹⁴ Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.
¹⁵ Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Revelation 22:14‭-‬15 ESV

‘…They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,” says the LORD.’
(Isaiah 65:25 ESV)

□ You submitted:

Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?

■ Response:

Between the Holy G-d and fallen mankind who believe and repent Him – yes, there has and is peace, by believing in His servant whom He has sent.

This is how the prophets are to be read.

Here the following lawlessness and corruption will sadly continue as a general rule for all sinners, even those who do not believe;

For wickedness burns like a fire; it consumes briers and thorns; it kindles the thickets of the forest, and they roll upward in a column of smoke.
Isaiah 9:18 ESV

And that is why;

‘…their fire shall not be quenched…’
(Isaiah 66:24 ESV).

□ You wrote:

He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments 

“My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes.” (Ezekiel 37:24)

■ Response:

Messiah rules from above, and it is certainly peaceful above in the new heaven and new earth.

This is why it says his kingdom is forever and ever (he is immortal);

Thy throne, O god [Messiah], is for ever and ever: The sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Psalm 45:6 KJV

‘…He will reign…forever….’
(Isaiah 9:7 NIV)

Riddle: How can there be world peace on this old earth, if it says Messiah reigns forever, and yet there is wickedness and smoke at the same time?

Answer: The rebels are here (Isaiah 66:24), and it is peaceful upstairs there (65:25, Revelation 21:4).

His people certainly do observe Torah faithfully as per G-d giving believers the promised Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit) within, and this causes those who believe in Messiah to observe faithfully and diligently;

‘…I will make a new covenant…’
(Jeremiah 31:31 ESV)

‘…I will give you as a covenant for the people…’
(Isaiah 42:6 ESV)

‘And I will give you a new heart… of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.’
(Ezekiel 36:26‭-‬27 ESV)

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV

□ You submitted:

Regarding Torah observance;

‘The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.

■ Response:

Sadly what the majority know as ‘mainstream Christianity’ here – is not a representation of what the Holy Scriptures instruct.

Actual Christianity states the Torah is to be observed with one believing in G-d and Moshiach (Christ);

Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
Romans 3:31 ESV

Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Revelation 14:12 ESV

‘Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven… unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.’
(Matthew 5:19‭-‬20 ESV)

‘Who among you fears the LORD and obeys the voice of his servant?…’
(Isaiah 50:10 ESV)

“Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me.
John 14:1 ESV

A believer in G-d and Messiah (Christ) is instructed to be diligent, and items such as idolatry or foreign worship prsctives are is strictly prohibited – even for a new believer who is just beginning;

‘…abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.’
(Acts 15:20 NIV)

Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.
1 John 5:21 NIV

‘…“If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.’
(Revelation 14:9‭-‬10 NIV)

□ You submitted:

He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d

“And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd” (Isaiah 66:23)

there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.

■ Response:

Isaiah 66:23 specifically refers to life above in the new heaven and new earth, where Messiah is this very day.

We know this as the verse just before it states this and procides context;

‘“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make…’
(Isaiah 66:22 ESV)

Further Isaiah 65 states that there is peace in the new heaven and earth also;

‘“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth… no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.’
(Isaiah 65:17‭, ‬65:19 ESV)

What about this fallen unclean earth here?

It remains, and they look down on it in sadness and disgust – note ‘…their worm shall not die…’;

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. [shall be disgusting to all ‘heaven’ flesh of the new earth which is above – re: ‘…touch the holes in my hands…’ (par. con. John 20:27)]
Isaiah 66:24 KJV (explanation in [in brackets])

□ You submitted:

All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:

“And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children’s children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.”

■ Response:

Peaceably, this will not take place here, and any interpretation which states it will – is not the correct interpretation of the Holy Scriptures.

References;

‘Peace’ is above in the new heaven and earth, and when Ezekiel says,

‘…my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people….’;

this is referenced in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament), and confirmed to apply to the new earth;

‘Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth…
I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,…
“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
(Revelation 21:1‭-‬3 ESV)

□ You wrote:

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be “The Messiah.”

■ Response:

A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, only one has fulfilled every condition.

Certainly Jesus.

——-

I’d like to thank you for your diligence in reading though these responses.


Link two/two which you have submitted for response;

https://nojesus4jews.weebly.com/365-prophecies/the-list-ignores-true-messianic-prophecies-by-ezekiel

□ Response;

Peaceably, I feel that every single verse submitted here at this second link you have provided, has essenrially been answered in the above submission and response section for the first link which is written by those who currently and sadly do not yet believe.

If you feel there is a verse which is essentially un-addressed, please feel free to raise it. Shalom.

May Hashem bless beyond maximum im His created, risen Son Adonai Yehoshua HaMoshiach (the Lord Jesus Christ).

Shalom v’kind regards,

http://www.OrthodoxMessianicJudaism.com

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Further Reading

Proving The Messiah (Jesus) Is King David’s Descendant – From The Torah

http://www.orthodoxmessianicjudaism.com/2021/06/09/the-messiah-is-meant-to-be-king-davids-direct-descendant-proving-jesus/

Luke 11:5-9 Parable Explained: The Gospel Is Eternal – Even After The End Of The Age, Everlasting Life.

http://www.orthodoxmessianicjudaism.com/2021/05/12/luke-115-9-parable-explained-the-gospel-is-eternal-even-after-the-end-of-the-age-everlasting-life/

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“Scripture quotations are from the ESV® Bible (The Holy Bible, English Standard Version®), copyright © 2001 by Crossway, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. Used by permission. All rights reserved.”

“Scripture quotations taken from the New American Standard Bible® (NASB), Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995, 2020 by The Lockman Foundation Used by permission. http://www.Lockman.org

“Scripture quotations marked (NIV) are taken from the Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV®. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.™ Used by permission of Zondervan. All rights reserved worldwide. http://www.zondervan.com The “NIV” and “New International Version” are trademarks registered in the United States Patent and Trademark Office by Biblica, Inc.™ “

The Orthodox Jewish Bible Copyright Artists for Israel Intl Used by permission © The Orthodox Jewish Bible fourth edition, OJB. Copyright 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010, 2011 by Artists for Israel International, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved.

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