John 8:58 – ‘Jesus said… I am…’ (There Is No ‘Trinity’)

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Brief Summary

Showing how the popular phrase rendered in English ‘…I am…’, actually means ‘I existed’ in the book of John, upon review of the Strong’s Concordance.

Thus, Christ in no place claims to be G-d, rather is simply communicating that he existed in heaven, before Abraham existed.

This statement angered the dear scribes and Pharisees as it meant that the Messiah (Christ) was infact claiming that he had actually seen Abraham the Patriarch who lived thousands of years prior on the earth (ref. John 8:57).

Begin

The ever popular ‘…I am…’ verse found in the book of John is often used to support the claim for the incorrect doctrine known as the ‘trinity’.

Here, John 8:58 is explained in context – without malice – in order to show that when the Messiah (Christ) said ‘…I am…’, that this simply means ‘he existed, before Abraham’.

The verse in the KJV translation reads as follows;

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58 KJV
[unclear in this instance (without malice)]

The Clearer Translation of John 8:58 which will be explained in an easy-to-read manner, is as follows;

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I existed/was.
John 8:58 Clearer Translation

The Interlinear Text

The word rendered as Iam‘ in John 8:58, is the Strong’s Concordance Greek word number 1510;

As per G1510’s definitions, usage, and recorded appearances in the Scriptures – this can indeed be legally translated as ‘existed’, or ‘was’;

What does this all mean?

‘…I existed/was…’ therefore is simply referring to how Christ (the Messiah) existed before G-d had sent him to the earth.

Now that this has been established, some Holy Scriptures that show us that Christ (Messiah) did in fact pre-exist in heaven before being born on earth, include Proverbs 8:12 and 8:22, which link with Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:43-45;

‘I wisdom
The LORD made me as the beginning of His way,
The first of His works of old.
(Proverbs 8:12, 8:22 JPS Tanakh 1917. Also see NASB.)

The Son of Manwisdom is justified by her deeds.”
(Matthew 11:19 ESV)


The Son of Manwisdom is justified by all her children.”
(Luke 7:34-35 ESV).

Here, Proverbs speaks of how ‘wisdom’ was made by the LORD (made by God), and with these Scriptures, Matthew and Luke then clarify and confirm the riddle of Proverbs 8 – in that ‘wisdom’ is an alias or ‘nickname’ of sorts for the ‘Son of Man’, Christ (Messiah).

Proverbs 8:12 and 8:22 thus show us that Christ was ‘made’, and in turn existed in the beginning of creation ‘at the first of…’ [God’s] ‘…works of old.’ [ref. JPS Tanakh 1917; see also Brenton Septuagint Translation, NET Bible, Berean Study Bible, NASB, and the NLT etc., in this instance.]

 Another verse, which clarifies that the risen King Messiah (Christ) indeed existed before being born on the earth is Micah 5:2 (or 5:1, depending on your translation);

But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.
(Micah 5:2 ESV)

Here we read that a leader was expected to come forth from Bethlehem to be ruler in Israel, but at the same time – his coming forth is from ‘ancient days’ – i.e.;

he was born, then he leads many on earth to G-d with sound instruction, then he was raised from the dead – though with this; he existed before his walk on the earth, from ancient days.’

May the holy G-d bless you beyond maximum; believing in His risen Son the Lord Jesus Christ (Adonai Yehoshua HaMoshiach). Amen.

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3 thoughts on “John 8:58 – ‘Jesus said… I am…’ (There Is No ‘Trinity’)

  1. Trinity is not a Bible word, but Godhead is
    Are the body, soul and spirit are the same thing
    questions for a oneness or watchtower (Jehovah’s witless) devotee

    1 Thessalonians 5:23 – And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says Man has a spirit and a soul and a body)

    Isaiah 10:18 – And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)

    Matthew 10:28 – Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ……….destroy both soul and body in hell.

    Isaiah 26:9 – With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)

    Hebrews 4:12 – For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    …. dividing asunder of soul and spirit, (the word of God divides the soul and spirit)

    1 Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

    so the Bible ALONE teaches man has a body and a soul and a spirit = 3 parts = 1 man

    Genesis 1:26 – And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness

    Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Genesis 9:6 – Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

    So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE

    How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?

    1. Hello there Mr.Walker,
      Thank you for making contact, I hope you are well.

      You have listed the word/term ‘Godhead’, and have then also submitted some Holy Scriptures for review.

      Firstly, congratulations on believing that G-d has raised Christ from the dead – that is good.

      I must confess I will not address any of the Scripture that you have submitted, as the interpretation of them that you have given as a group – relies on the following;

      a) a misunderstanding of what ‘Godhead’ means in Holy Scripture,

      and,

      b) insertion of man-made philosophy inserted in between each of the verses, to form an idea.

      That being said dear neighbour, here it is;

      ——-

      Godhead;

      Civilly, the term appears perhaps several times in the New Testament, and to be concise and to the point, ‘Godhead’ simply means; ‘Head of the gods’.

      The Head being God (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), and the gods being every created spirit that is addressed as the title god (notice the lower-case ‘g’).

      Here are the three instances ‘Godhead’ (Head of the gods) appears in the Holy Scriptures, and with the above explanation – perhaps it will be easier to under stand it speaks of the Father.

      Acts 17:29
      Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

      Romans 1:20
      For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

      Colossians 2:9
      For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

      (Re: Col 2:9, this is simply referring to where Isaiah states that God has endowed Christ with His Holy Spirit (power) (ref. Isaiah 48:16, and also the light as mentioned in John 1 within him)).

      Hoping this is fruitful, and may the Holy G-d bless you beyond maximum, believing in His risen Son the Lord Jesus Christ (Adonai Yehoshua HaMoshiach). Amen.

      Kind regards,
      http://www.Christianity-in-Context.com
      http://www.OrthodoxMessianicJudaism.com

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